Discussion #2 – Symposium speaker series – Dr. Robin Friedlander
Notice: This discussion is now closed. All comments have been collected as part of the overall work to design an effective system of services for children and youth with support needs. For an overview of other discussions related to children and youth with support needs, visit the online discussions page.
As part of the Province’s commitment to engage in meaningful dialogue with multiple audiences on the future of children and youth with support needs (CYSN) services in B.C., the Province is promoting open discussion on important topics related to CYSN services though this online engagement portal.
In fall 2023, a virtual speaker series was held to connect professionals in the field of child and youth development and disability with British Columbians. The series was an opportunity for anyone who was interested to participate in facilitated dialogues to help inform a new provincial CYSN service approach that is balanced with local situations and individual needs.
Session with Dr. Robin Friedlander
On December 14, 2023, Dr. Robin Friedlander presented on “Increasing Behavioral Complexity and Needs of Children and Youth with Neurodevelopmental Disorders.” Dr. Friedlander is a child psychiatrist, clinical professor and director of the Neurodevelopmental Disorders Program within the UBC Department of Psychiatry in Vancouver and founder of the Self Injurious Behavior Clinic at BC Children’s Hospital.
The presentation discussed the increasing prevalence of Autism Spectrum Disorder and multidisciplinary causes of aggression, and explored what services children and youth with behavioural complexity need most and how to provide those services in an equitable way.
You can view Dr. Friedlander’s presentation materials, the presentation itself and a summary of the discussions that took place during breakout groups during the session by visiting the following webpage: Symposium speaker series | Dr. Robin Friedlander
Participant feedback
More than 160 people joined Dr. Friedlander’s session from areas across the province, representing a variety of perspectives including families and caregivers, health care professionals, educators, policymakers and non-profit organizations.
Participant comments fell into three categories:
- Service Planning and Coordination: direct planning with families, transition planning (of any type), cross-program/ministry coordination.
- Service Delivery: direct CYSN Services, wraparound services, workforce considerations.
- Administration: funding, service processes and pathways (e.g., intake; prioritization), roles and responsibilities (i.e., which ministry is responsible for what), physical space
How to continue this conversation and provide your input
Thank you for your interest in this important initiative. There is a two-step process to providing your input:
- Review Dr. Friedlander’s presentation and summary of discussions that took place in breakout groups at the session.
- Read and consider the two discussion questions provided below and respond in the fields near the bottom of this webpage.
Discussion questions
The Province is asking you to consider two questions for your review and comment. Please use the comment box below to respond.
- Dr. Friedlander provided an overview of the approaches used to respond to children and youth with significant and complex behavioural support needs. What services and supports in a child’s early development can best benefit children and families experiencing complex behaviours before they reach middle school age?
- The Province is learning about different ways to access services. In four pilot areas in BC, service access is based on a child’s or youth’s functional needs and family needs. In the remainder of the province access to certain services is based on diagnosis. Dr. Friedlander showed how the complexity of a child’s behaviour can be an important predictor of their and their family’s quality of life and wellbeing. Should behavioural needs be included in the assessment in determining services and funding for a child/youth and their family? Why?
The thing I consistently read and hear about is improving access to support for children and parents. But we don’t stop being autistic when we turn 18. It is orders of magnitude better to be autistic as a child than as an adult due to the many services available to children and the almost non-existent supports for adults. The partitioning of autism services into ONLY children and NOTHING for adults is problematic and discriminatory. If you make a service for children and parents, there needs to be an equivalent transitional service for adults who have aged out of the youth-centric programs. What happens to these children who grow up with an army of services supporting them when they turn 18 and the plug is suddenly pulled?
1) An assessment completed by a qualified therapist could assist in determining the best supports for these children. Increased funding for children with behavioural needs for Behavioural Intervention (BI) and Occupational Therapy (OT) services as well as access to respite services to provide for caregiver relief. Educational opportunities for caregivers to learn more about the root cause of these behavioural challenges and a qualified support staff (i.e., consultant through local supported child development centres) to help navigate these challenges.
2) Behavioural needs should absolutely be included in the assessment of determining services and funding for children, youth and their family. The functional impact of some of these children’s needs results in a parent being unable to hold down a regular job due to their child being asked to leave Day Care and school. Providing resources for parent’s education to further understand the root of the behavioural challenges- through OT, SLP or BI assessments, and an increase in services from those professionals to allow for more intervention time, rather than only consultation which is currently being funded.
What services and supports in a child’s early development can best benefit children and families experiencing complex behaviours before they reach middle school age?
I believe its not so much a matter of services and supports but rather who is providing those services and supports. Often times, we have funding being available but not trained professionals to work in the field. Therefore, having higher wages may work for staff retention or even staff hiring processes… but this does not mean that such staff has the necessary tools/training to provide the right support for children and their families. I consider training the staff a key aspect of support and services., by having proper, continuous, and hands on training, we can better work closely with families so that we all give children(and their families) the support they need.
Should behavioural needs be included in the assessment in determining services and funding for a child/youth and their family? Why?
Definitely yes! behavioural needs cover such a wide scope of services, many of which are becoming expensive. We cannot assume that someone with not so many “behavioural needs” needs the same amount of services than those who have more needs. Including behavioural needs allows for a better distribution of funding as well as providing a more rounded picture about the child which in turn, can help us find the support and services that are most suitable for them.
Q 1: Holistic supports that can engage with the child, family and caregivers in the home and/or school/child care settings and provide an element of regularity and routine are very beneficial. For all parties to be able to build relationships and collaborate together provides significant benefits for children and families. These supports could include OT, SLP, BI and psychologists, and others, but needs to be child-lead and able to work within the settings that the child is part of. In an ideal world, child care and school programs would have paramedical and support workers linked directly to them, with availability to meet, assess and support children and families with a referral from an ECE, teacher, or parent.
Q 2: Behaviour and other holistic needs must be included in the assessment in determining services and funding. In many cases, the time required to get a diagnosis impedes a family’s ability to access support and funding, especially if they are in a remote location, live with multiple barriers, and/or have financial constraints. If we are looking to create a truly inclusive system, we need to broaden our perspective on evaluating and funding support needs based on a diagnosis or single layer of information. A deeper look into what is creating the conditions for behaviour (food and housing security, family dynamics, health, etc) and using supports/interventions to meet those needs alongside any diagnosed or un-diagnosed conditions is vital to providing holistic supports and uplifting children and families.
What services and supports in a child’s early development can best benefit children and families experiencing complex behaviours before they reach middle school age? Should behavioral needs be included in the assessment in determining services and funding for a child/youth and their family? Why?
It is easier to answer these two questions together. I work as a therapist at a publicly funded child development centre (CDC). I work mostly with school-aged children in school settings, and also consult with children and families at our centre or in homes and community settings. I also consult with school staff, and part of my work is also with toddler to preschool aged children. I used to work in an early intensive behavioral intervention program for children with ASD, so I have some perspective.
Behavioral needs should be included in the assessment to determine services. It is important to clarify that the term “behavior” is inaccurate and unhelpful on its own. Families, doctors, or others might use the term “behavior” in their referral, but after some assessment we learn the challenge actually relates to a deficit in the child’s skills, which causes problems with family routines and interferes with social interactions. Equally important is that there may also be a mismatch between the caregiver’s expectations and skills, and the child’s capacity and skills.
Typically, the “behavior” arises when there is a challenge with some daily routine or activity. For example, the child can’t: sit at the table to eat (picky eating may be part of it); toilet or use the bathroom, fall or remain asleep, participate in dressing routines, play with a friend, wait for something, explore toys appropriately, or manage transitions. The answer to solve any of these isn’t a simple fix to “correct the behavior”. It is often a complicated process to figure out how to help improve the child’s skill deficits, help the parent or caregiver adjust their actions, and adjust the environment and/or the task.
Core skill deficits that lead to behavior are often linked to challenges with attention skills, cognition/inflexible thinking, social skills, emotional regulation, or delayed language skills. A therapist might then work with the adult and child to try to improve some of these core skill deficits. Another approach that happens at the same time is to adjust elements of the task to make success easier. Success is possible by minimizing the demand on the child’s skill deficit.
Improving a caregiver’s skills and capacity is also an important part of treating “behavior”. Sometimes a caregiver may not recognize the child’s skill deficits, and they may not know how to adjust their own actions so the child can be successful. By improving the caregivers’ skills, the child is more successful. Caregivers need to be the ones who can put the ideas into play, since they are with the child most of the time.
As Dr. Friedlander noted, improving a child’s communication skills can also improve behavior, often because it reduces frustration. SLP services can help a non-verbal child use an augmentative communication device, like TouchChat on an iPad. Other children benefit from simpler tools like visual supports and low tech communication aids. Therapists and early childhood education professionals often implement these ideas in childcare settings. There is a shortage of these workers, however, and if families or childcare staff don’t learn of these strategies, small behaviors can escalate to more extreme ones.
An additional strategy may be to improve the child’s self-regulation skills. If a caregiver understands their child’s regulation needs, they may then be able to provide the right co-regulation supports. This might include strategies to reduce sensory challenges, minimize executive functioning deficits, or improve emotional regulation skills. There may also be strategies like social stories, or behavioral strategies like token economies. Many self-regulation strategies can be taught in a group format to parents and caregivers, at least initially. Greater 1:1 follow up can occur afterwards once the caregiver has some background and education. Our CDC uses this approach and it works.
In many cases of ASD there are other comorbid developmental diagnoses and reasons for the behavior. For these children, solutions may require multiple professions (SLP, OT, PT, supported child development consultant and aid). Children with ASD often have fine and gross motor deficits that accompany their social and language deficits. There are many children with more severe ASD who could benefit from early intensive behavioral intervention (“ABA”) type supports. For children with severe autism, however, ABA approaches seldom cover all aspects of function unless there are other therapies. If a child with ASD and their family gets intervention early on, the child may never get to the point where extreme or violent behavior arises.
While I also know of similar case scenarios like Dr. Friedlander described, many crisis situations can be avoided if they are caught early, when problems are minor. Child psychiatrists usually only become involved when small problems grow, multiply, and become major crises for the family and school. Only then, after the family and child usually have missed critical windows of development, is medication part of the solution. Anti-aggression medication is often an important element, especially as children get older, but in my experience there’s usually a history of missed opportunities where early intervention therapies and supports could have made a difference.
CDC’s are often the entry point for most families to get help for challenging behaviors. We are often the ones who recommend the child see a doctor or pediatrician, often to get referred for an ASD assessment. Typically, we see families struggle with behavioral challenges when their child is 2-4 years of age, often when their child fails to play with friends and meet other typical communication, social, play, and behavioral norms. Unless a family gets help early, many children have no diagnoses by the time school starts. This is especially true with the long IHCAN waitlists, and that many neurodevelopmental diagnoses require specialized diagnostic clinics.
The challenges get worse when children are unable to access daycare, preschool, or after school care because of behavioral problems. If the family can’t access supported child development services, the child often isn’t permitted to attend childcare or preschool. Supported child development consultants can play a critical role to help children be successful at these settings (and not get kicked out). More of these workers are needed because there are long waitlists and too few workers for the wide spread size of the problem. There have been recent moves from the government to bump up wages and increase the number of these positions in CDC’s, which is good, and long overdue.
Without positive early childcare experiences, Kindergarten is much more difficult. Sometimes it is only once the child enters school that the severity of the problem gets real attention from the medical and special education systems. The child may get extra school support because of disruptive behavior, but as Dr Friendland alluded to, schools generally struggle to help children with challenging behaviors.
There are many reasons for this. Most education assistants (EA’s) do not have specific training for behavior, and there is now a widespread shortage of EA’s. Only the Surrey school district has some ABA trained EA’s, largely due to parent advocacy. If a district even has them, there are too few school district behavior consultants to meet the demand. In the districts I work in, there are no board-certified behavior analysts. Even if school districts had board-certified behavior analysts, district staff don’t have the training, time, or resources to take on this level of intervention.
The young student with severe behavior experiences more exclusion, has fewer positive social experiences, and learns less. It is no surprise that these children may get additional psychiatric diagnoses as they age.
The inclusive education model in schools has failed. The idea of inclusion is great, but it costs a lot more to do properly, and schools are not getting more staffing, training, and outside help to make inclusion work. Resource rooms get closed because they aren’t thought of as inclusive, yet they are better for some kids. From 2001-2016, BC’s public education system experienced a lot of cuts to the special education system. The pandemic also had a negative affect. Since then, many qualified special education teachers have moved on after getting burnt out. The current inability to deal with complex behaviors in school settings is one of the downstream affects from these events.
When extreme behaviors occur in school, the whole system of support in the entire school breaks down. This is especially true when several behavior challenges occur at the same time or in separate classes. This is common when it is typical to have 3-5 students per class with support needs. EA’s get pulled from other students who need in-class help, so they lose out. Learning resource teachers abruptly cancel take out sessions for reading to go deal with the behavior. Vice Principals can’t cover for absent teachers. Sometimes whole classes have to evacuate to de-escalate the situation, and to protect both the student and peers from harm. Schools use narratives like, “the classroom is too much for him”, or, “he’s not ready”, and caregivers are asked to take their child home. Schools just don’t have adequate staffing, resources, and access to specialized services. The system isn’t designed for it.
Sometimes a child with extreme behaviors may be enrolled into a special MCFD or health authority program. These are usually done in a small group, high staff to student ratio setting (like a resource room). This allows the child to learn skills and, potentially, for caregivers and educators to learn effective strategies. To my knowledge, most of these external behavior school programs don’t provide graduated support for the child so they can successfully return to their home school. Instead the student is dumped back into their home school and they aren’t successful. This is because there aren’t enough services and supports for the child to transfer skills from the specialized program to their home classroom. There have been several successful pilot or isolated district programs that blend small group “resource room” types of service (i.e., SELC+ program at Norquay Elementary), yet these models haven’t been expanded province wide. Such programs typically remain in a pilot stage but don’t get expanded across the province. This needs to change.
Part of the problem exists because there is siloing within and between ministries and this creates bureaucratic funding barriers. For example, there is an unnecessary divide between child mental health services and those targeting neurodevelopmental and physical disabilities. Rather than treat the child as a whole being, parents must search for which service can help their child. MCFD child and youth mental health offices (CYMH) can only see children with mental health problems, and these offices won’t see children if there is any sort of neurodevelopmental diagnosis. For example, they won’t see children with ASD, even though a lot of functional day-to-day problems may relate to anxiety, phobias, OCD, and emotional challenges. CYMH offices aren’t budgeted to hire OT’s, yet OT’s are trained in mental health, and could make a big difference.
Trauma is another area that affects challenging behavior. Parents may have their own unresolved trauma and attachment problems because of adverse early childhood events, and this makes parenting a challenging child much harder. These families qualify for CYMH services. Of course, parent-child attachment issues also occur with children who have developmental delays, yet these children and families can’t get services at a CYMH office.
Meanwhile, a CDC’s mandate is to help children with physical and developmental concerns, but must exclude children with mental health concerns. CDC’s often help kids with self-regulation, emotional, or executive functioning challenges because they are part of many neurodevelopmental diagnoses. For example, children with ASD and ADHD often have anxiety, yet our CDC cannot hire counsellors, social workers, or those with special mental health training because we aren’t funded for those positions.
Attachment disorder is often a factor for children with behavioral challenges, and ASD and other neurodevelopmental conditions also require help in this area. Our CDC occasionally runs attachment focused, “Circle of Security” workshops for families, but they don’t happen as often as they are needed due to funding limitations. These families experience a lot of stress and therefore also need regular family support for this type of intervention to work. Our CDC doesn’t have adequate levels of staffing to provide this kind of ongoing support for families.
It is wrong that parents can’t take their child to one publically funded location and get the services they need. This is a good reason to put both CYMH services and CDC services under one roof. The proposed Hub model might be able to do this, but only if it is structured and funded properly. A Hub model requires CARF accredited, public non-profit wrap-around family centered services, skilled case management, system navigation, long term planning, and detailed coordination between all stakeholders.
As it relates to the workforce to help with complex behaviors, CDC budgets have never had enough funding to hire enough therapy professionals to meet the need and to reduce waitlists. There were waitlists 10 and 20 years ago, and since then the funding hasn’t meaningfully increased, BC’s population has grown, and ASD referrals have exploded.
Thankfully MCFD has provided funding for our CDC to hire a few rehabilitation assistants (RA’s), which will help reduce the load on therapists. With proper training, RA’s can run groups, do support tasks, and provide additional 1:1 support. RA’s can relieve therapists from non-direct and preparation client related tasks, and thereby free up therapist’s time to do higher skilled tasks. Providing funding for more support staff like RA’s is a good idea and MCFD should expand this further.
CDC’s need more OT’s and SLP’s to meet the needs of children with complex behavior. But it is very hard to attract therapists. Pediatrics is a unique and specialized area, and most OT’s are only trained to work with adults. Publically funded pediatric jobs also don’t pay any more than other positions, so there’s little incentive for new or established therapists to switch from another practice area. Our CDC offers lots of supervision and training for potential new therapists, but we are unable to attract candidates. Concrete monetary incentives, like relocation stipends, or a special union wage grid might help more therapists consider taking a job at a CDC.
It may be illuminating to note that Canada ranks 33rd out of 35 OECD countries for GDP spending on early childhood services (See Early Years Study 4: Thriving Kids, Thriving Society, 2020). To this point, the BC government’s move to expand the Ministry of Education to include childcare is a positive step. Reliable MEd funding, in comparison to MCFD’s unstable competitive tender model, elevates the importance and stability of early childhood education funding and services. Hopefully it will expand childcare into more schools and broaden their function to integrate early childhood and family support services.
Q1. What services and supports in a child’s early development can best benefit children and families experiencing complex behaviours before they reach middle school age?
a. Service providers who focus on working with the family as a unit rather than just the child, and who view behaviour as a form of communication of underlying needs and underdeveloped skills. (those service providers should also have the skill-set to educate families on development and be able to teach underlying skills and regulation strategies).
b. Service provision should first focus on parent coaching, modifying caregiver approaches and modifying environments to meet the child’s current skill-set. Therapeutic intervention should focus on creating safe spaces to assist with calming a child’s nervous system and reducing overwhelm, before focusing on skill development.
c. Informed case managers to assist with preventing caregiver burnout when navigating the system.
d. An understanding that complex behaviours require long-term planning, to ensure major developmental transitions are supported without regression.
e. Service providers with a comprehensive understanding of co-morbid mental health concerns impacting the child’s primary diagnosis, and how to connect clinical presentation to functional outcomes.
Q2. Should behavioural needs be included in the assessment in determining services and funding for a child/youth and their family? Why?
‘Behavioural needs’ indicate lagging skills and a need for support, yet the current problem is how we as a community view behaviour. If we can reframe behaviour and understand that it only happens in response to a stimulus (which can include caregivers, support staff, environmental stimuli, task demand) we can start to change our response to behaviour, rather than starting with asking the child to make changes they don’t currently know how to do successfully. Every child does well when they can with the proper support, therefore I think behavioural needs should be included in the assessment, but evaluated under a different theoretical framework. When a child has complex behaviours, they are telling us that the current approaches and strategies being used aren’t supportive, and the responsibility is on service providers and caregivers to change their approach.
Additional notes from the presentation: I agree their needs to be more experienced respite providers, and more communication across the ministry. The majority of case examples highlighted the use of various medications to treat behaviours. There are several concerns with this being the primary method of treatment, including lack of consent/understanding of side effects in non-speaking individuals, and significant weight-gain associated with several anti-aggression medications, leading to increased challenges as the child gets older. Most of these children have regular contact with at least one service provider in the community. These service providers should be called upon to assist with knowledge and information-sharing related to these children so that assessing or consulting professionals can have a more accurate understanding of the child.
I absolutely believe that behaviours should be included in the assessment in determining services and funding for child/youth and their family. In the current system/structure, only two categories/diagnoses allow for the financial support to give families some services outside of free community services. These are Autism and Intellectual disabilities and these eliminate several other extremely disabling conditions that cause severe behavioural concerns such as ADHD, Tourettes, ODD, OCD, RAD, etc. If we opened up the assessment process to include behavioral considerations this would allow for acceptance of children based upon the severity of the effects of their disorder and not the title of their disorder. As we have learned that these disorders are a spectrum and effect each child in different and unique ways.
I watched the presentation. I agreed with a number of things. However, much of the discussion was on ‘aggressive’ behaviour as being the most in need of intervention and supports. There are children who turn their frustration and anger inwards, who may not be as obviously in need, but who are at very high risk of suicidal ideation and not able to reach their potential without supports. I agree that diagnosis alone shouldn’t be the only criteria as there are too many children who do not get support under the current model. My son is autistic (would be considered level 2), has significant anxiety and while verbal and no intellectual disability, has language difficulties. He has never been outwardly aggressive, except to himself (hitting himself). The root cause of some of this aggressive behaviour is due to their needs not being met, so parent education and training are very important as certain parenting styles simply exacerbate the problem. This is a complex issue and we need to be careful not to exclude those currently getting support because the ‘appear’ to have no behaviour issues. My step daughter is autistic and now an adult. Due to lack of supports growing up, she has significant mental health issues and suicidality. She would be considered level 1 and no obvious needs of support to the outside world. As a young adult she needs significant parental support still. The intervention is not purely psychiatric as the basis of her anxiety stems from having difficulty with social interaction etc. I don’t work as my son requires home learning. I believe the majority of autistic people need access to funding for things like OT and SLP, and reducing support to mostly those with aggressive behaviour dismisses those needs